So I hope we will pray for these brothers that they will be able to stand and remain in simplicity when the enemy comes, that the fear of the Lord would be the beginning of wisdom in every area and situation. `in His right hand He held 7 stars.`, This shows the executive activity of the enthroned Son of Man. signs/wonders (using the gifts given us) will follow and subsequently souls saved for the Kingdom. Upon Sndergaard's arrival in the U.S. in 2019, he immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. Its a little annoying in other articles when everyone is living in the future worrying about the thousand year reign and who does what during the tribulation. They are still carrying the sting of it, instead of saying, O death where is thy sting? Its not a matter of some are more humble or nicer or more genuine etc, because ALL our flesh has the same susceptibilities and needs to forget what the left hand is doing. We have to go forward into the `true,` thing.`. That is a place where the sick could experience salvation and healing. Further, He personally commissioned them to perform these miracles. (Hebrews 9:22). OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. `to go forward into the `true` thing.`. But when the apostles Barnabas and Paul heard of it, they tore their robes and rushed out into the crowd, crying out and saying, Men, why are you doing these things? Its easier to do real miracles, but The harder ministry is the message of REPENTANCE and Remission of sins. The fakes and charlatans lengthen legs to try to copy the original healings of God. 3.and receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus as their Helper and Comforter. I remember an occasion at the Anglican Order of St. Luke in Christchurch when an unbelieving woman with a build up shoe (maybe 30cm or so) went forward for prayer and later limped back to her seat because the leg lengthened and the shoe was then too high for her to walk normally. A very dangerous cynicism takes hold at that point. Thank you for the clarification Andrew! 1) to be anxious Anyone who does not agree with this is just trying to drag you backwards. 4 But I have this [one charge to make] against you: that you have left (abandoned) the love that you had at first [you have deserted Me, your first love]. Arrested NOT. The nature of deception is that those being deceived arent aware they are being deceived. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Trouble with cynicism is that it always disqualifies from What God is doing. In all the videos, I dont see evidence in those being healed of being brought to repentance and an acknowledgement of Jesus as Lord. He believes that the Holy Spirit, acting through him, can heal people. Many people do things they think please the Lord but dont stop and think or ask if the Lord is indeed pleased. OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. that scripture which states that the Power of God was present for Jesus to heal that was how far Jesus humbled Himself He was totally God while on earth but humbled Himself to only act under the Power of the Holy Spirit giving us an example that we should follow in His steps, He (Bill Johnston) explained that very clearly in his sermon, I checked him out earlier on in the year for myself , Another correction: but was performing . Jesus said greater works than these shall you do! Holy Spirit encouragement is rare these days. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. You wrote: Paul was using both water and Spirit so many times in his epistles. Have you forgotten that Paul also said, For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. (1 Corinthians 1:17). He carries the burden of a broken heart. Step 3. There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. There is another guy in the pool at 2:34 min who is convulsing in the water this is Kundalini electricity. Finally a few good religious folk got ahold of him, and told him he couldnt do that. We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. "Torben detailed his life in ministry. (Mark 9:14, 16-18 NASB). The descent into normalizing WIERDSVILLE: Step 1. They also love to twist Gods word! Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. Jesus is the gifted One in us- why should we be defined by a certain gift or let our works be defined by certain gifts when we can do whatever Jesus can do and wants to do in us. In Jesus name we pray ! This is what every believer should be doing preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons. Oh and Moses staff turned into a snake. Im not saying they are or arent, Im just saying the video evidence isnt enough since all the healings are subjective in that there is no obvious malady present, only a reported internal problem by the person supposedly healed. Have you ever noticed that Noah and his family were saved THROUGH water and not by being immersed IN water. It high time we all return to the child like faith and trust we had before we got burned by all that sorcery. I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Tragically, very few insights about his significant other are accessible on the internet. 2.Be baptized(Water grave) into the death, burial & resurrection of Christ, to enter a covenant with God, through Jesus who sanctifies us with His Righteous Blood. The choice to believe that God heals today is choice made by each believer. If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? Weve seen enough of the problems. I DOUBT IT! The apostles werent charlatans when Jesus cautioned them to rejoice only that their names were in the book of life, and Jesus was surely not a charlatan when they tried to put him on a pedestal and make him a king. Certainly going to a local village for instance and seeing the Elder of a village get healed dramatically by us, is going to get the attention of the whole village on God very quickly and allow the preaching of the word to follow without effort. in a way that made us click together like old friends right away. Johnathan Isreal- I am not ashamed to take the Lords name Christian you can say it was a handle the worldly people mockingly gave to the early followers of Jesus Christ if you want ( I doubt you are right about that enormous leap of assumption as the text does not say what you so dogmatically assume. Andrew, you of all people understand this in your battle against all the multitudes of people who follow people like Bill Johnson, Rick Joyner, Todd Bentley, Joel Osteen, and the list goes on and on. Why there are so many conflicting statements here on the blog & not always the truth is that people have not been taught how God desires His Word to be interpreted. His Kinship (relational) was expressed epressed Matthew, His Heirship in Mark, His Mediatorship in Luke & His Judgeship in John. Perfect love casts out fear. Seymour had approached a man with a wooden leg and asked, What did you come here for? The man replied, I want you to pray for my leg. And I will add that God will SEND His apostles, and prophets, etc.. to the people, just as He did with John the Baptist and every other man and woman of God that He has used over the centuries. https://friendsoftorben.comINTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWNhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bhiwc_nm_UOUR MOVIEShttps://thelastreforma. I just read Luke 7 where Jesus raises the widows son from the dead and great fear and rejoicing fell on all the crowd. VIDEO MIRACLES AT WALMART Please Watch!! It is not a matter of pooh-poohing miracles, not at all for I have seen the Spirit of God at work, as have so many many believers, but it would never have even dawned on me to get a video camera and if that thought ever came to me I would have to say get thee behind me Satan for thou hast not in mind the things of God but the things of man. eerie suggests an uneasy or fearful consciousness that mysterious and malign powers are at work . We are doing a better job than what you had done by allowing sinful men whose hands we do not know what they may have been doing to baptise us in lots and lots of water.. I agree with Andrew that there is a difference between cynicism and discernment. 1) to put to flight by terrifying (to scare away) Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. Everything God does is HOLY- EVERYTHING GOD DOES FOR US , IN IS AND THROUGH IS IS HOLY-His love is holy, His works are holy , His miracles are holy, His motives are holy EVERYTHING INITIATED AND COMPLETED BY MAN IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE! Kan jy asb 'n skakel plaas na die, 24 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 20 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World), 19 December, 2022 by Deborah (Discerning the World), 18 December, 2022 by Tom Lessing (Discerning the World). I also believe that `experiencing,` comes through being changed into His likeness, which is the most amazing work of God in our lives. Amen. Averyl Randalls PC is down, but he is OK no doubt he will be back soon. It also tells us to test the spirits that claim to act in the Lords name. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. UNQUOTE. Error: There was an internal error submitting your form. Luke, the beloved physician shows the Lord`s pity, His grace, His considerate care & tender touch, His sincere sympathy & loving look, His mercy & compassion all blended into perfect harmony in one person our Lord & Saviour, Jesus Christ. a) to seek to promote ones interests Was it not God who originated each miracle and the devils servants Jannes and Jambres who were the copycats ? Bless you. Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. Stay informed with the latest from CBN News delivered to your inbox. 2Corinth 13:1. Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. I have been privileged to partner with the Lord Jesus in such healings in public places with the late Neville Logan back in the 70s. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? 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